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AI market crash, immigration crackdown, ‘Emilia Peréz’ & Hollywood’s cultural push | Ep. 4

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Welcome back to Culture Brief, a Denison Forum podcast where Conner Jones and Micah Tomasella break down the latest in news, politics, sports, pop culture, and technology from a Christian perspective. This week, they discuss the massive dip in AI stocks and its broader implications followed by a thoughtful conversation on the immigration policies under Trump’s administration and striking the balance between law enforcement and compassion for immigrants. They also touch on the controversial Oscar nominations, including the film Emelia Peréz, and its focus on transgender issues. Lastly, the guys share their current favorite TV shows and look ahead to the Grammys and the Super Bowl.

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Topics

  • (00:49): AI Market Predictions and Stock Market Impact
  • (03:37): DeepSeek: The New AI Competitor
  • (10:43): Biblical Perspective on AI
  • (14:47): Immigration Policies Under Trump
  • (26:11): Hollywood Controversies and Oscar Nominations
  • (29:42): Biblical Perspective on Transgenderism
  • (32:39): Impact of Pop Culture and Transgender Issues
  • (37:06): Mailbag: Favorite TV Shows
  • (45:10): Upcoming Events and Predictions
  • (49:05): Conclusion and Call to Action

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About Micah Tomasella

Micah Tomasella is the Advancement Officer at Denison Ministries and co-hosts Denison Forum’s “Culture Brief” podcast. A graduate of Dallas Baptist University, Micah is married to Emily, and together they are the proud parents of two daughters. With an extensive background in nonprofit work, finance, and real estate, Micah also brings experience from his years in pastoral church ministry.

About Conner Jones

Conner is the Director of Performance Marketing at Denison Ministries and Co-Hosts Denison Forum’s “Culture Brief” podcast. He graduated from Dallas Baptist University in 2019 with a degree in Business Management. Conner passionately follows politics, sports, pop-culture, entertainment, and current events. He enjoys fishing, movie-going, and traveling the world with his wife and son.

About Denison Forum

Denison Forum exists to thoughtfully engage the issues of the day from a biblical perspective through The Daily Article email newsletter and podcast, The Denison Forum Podcast, as well as many books and additional resources.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

NOTE: This transcript was AI-generated and has not been fully edited. 

[00:00:00] Conner Jones: Welcome back to Culture Brief, a Denison Forum podcast where we navigate the constant stream of top news, politics, sports, pop culture, and technology. And we’re doing it all from a Christian perspective. I’m Connor Jones and Micah, I’m feeling pretty good about today’s show. How are you feeling? Oh, 

[00:00:16] Micah Tomasella: I’m feeling great about it, guys.

My name is Micah Tomasella. I’m Connor’s best friend and I am the co host. Connor loves me almost as much as he loves. His most immediate family, just ask him today. Here’s what we’re going to talk about. All right. We kind of want to give you a little bit of a layout about what we’re going to cover today.

We’re going to be talking about AI. We’re going to talk about immigration and just kind of all of the Hollywood controversy that we’ve seen this past week. Plus we’ll hit on some TV opinions. So stick around and let’s dive into the big news in culture this week, and let’s jump into the brief. 

[00:00:49] Conner Jones: All right, Micah, I think we got to start with the big story of the week.

And we should preface with you already made a prediction that this might be happening. I did on our very first episode, we made 2025 predictions. You literally predicted that the AI market was in a bubble. And it might burst this year. That was your prediction. Yeah. Now, I don’t know if it’s come fully to fruition, but it might as well have started on Monday because nearly a trillion dollars was wiped out of the stock market on Monday.

And I don’t mean to sound so happy about that, but I’m just amazed that you kind of predicted it. And within the first like month of the year, it might already be starting. Those tech company stocks, they are just tanking or they tanked they’re starting, I suppose they’re starting to kind of. Level back out again, but we need to just cover what happened here.

Especially with the Chinese implications and what this means for the AI just market. So to clarify, there was no one hit harder than the company of Nvidia, Nvidia. I don’t know exactly how to say it. Either way, either way, they are the primary chip maker for American AI companies. Their stock plummeted 17%.

Micah, that equated to 589 billion in value. It’s the single largest market cap loss in a one day in history. Wow. It’s a pretty bad day. Imagine waking up to seeing your stock tank that bad. They’re going to be okay. They’re one of the most valuable companies in the world. I think number two or three, they’re worth about 3 trillion, which puts them up there with.

Apple and Microsoft. Mike, do you know why this happened? 

[00:02:27] Micah Tomasella: Well, I mean, yes, I do know why this happened. I’m going to let you explain more of the details, but ultimately like this affects anybody who’s invested in mutual funds. So if you’re invested in any kind of mutual fund they’re most likely invested in some AI startups, some AI companies.

Companies like Nvidia, all of that stuff, but also there are a lot of people who’ve placed a lot of their investments in AI stock in AI specific investments. And so, you know, thankfully with something like this, it’s lost value, but it’s not actually lost money unless you pull the money out. Right? So right now it’s lost in value if you’re invested in it.

But it is starting to rebound. But I think the prediction that I made that you called out Connor was I was saying that the AI investment bubble would burst and that the premiums had been so high to invest in the stock in the first place. So I’m wondering if from this kind of awful day that we saw, and you’re back to explain why it happened.

I’m wondering if it’s just going to level out, right? It is going to rebound, but maybe it levels out to a level that. Isn’t so high that was kind of unsustainable, 

[00:03:29] Conner Jones: right? Yeah. Maybe there’s just too much hype for AI 

[00:03:32] Micah Tomasella: and this 

[00:03:32] Conner Jones: brought it back down to, 

[00:03:33] Micah Tomasella: at least right now, realistic, at least right now, expectations.

[00:03:36] Conner Jones: Sure. So this happened because of a Chinese startup AI company that is called deep seat and on. Over the weekend, it was kind of discovered that they have a very functional AI system. One that can compete with American companies, with OpenAI, which is the owner of ChatGBT, with Google Gemini, all the top AI productions in America.

This kind of matches them, but here’s the catch. It does it for way cheaper. Way more efficient means so it’s model is called deep seeks are one. It costs under 6 million to develop in comparison. All the U S companies have spent billions to develop their AI. So for 6 million, they apparently developed an AI system that is just as strong and powerful as open AI is chat GPT.

DeepSeek, the app, quickly rose to the top of the free apps category in the Apple App Store. So, Micah, quick question, what do you think are the top five apps on the App Store right now? 

[00:04:37] Micah Tomasella: Oh, okay. If you just had to guess. Okay, well I know that DeepSeek’s number one. I know that it’s shot to the top. Let’s see, probably another AI, so ChatGPT.

Yeah, that’s number two 

[00:04:51] Conner Jones: actually. 

[00:04:51] Micah Tomasella: Maybe, let’s say Google Gemini, another AI, and I honestly, I don’t know. Instagram, I don’t know, Facebook. 

[00:05:01] Conner Jones: No, these are good guesses. Okay, you’re actually on track there. Deep Seek number one, which is crazy because I bet if you mentioned that to any American last week, like literally a week ago, no one would ever have heard of them.

So, it’s the number one app right now. ChatGPT is number two, which makes sense. It’s been up there for a long time. Number three, oddly, is Threads, which I didn’t know anybody was still on. Do you use Threads? For one day. Wait, what do you mean still on? How long has it been around? 

[00:05:26] Micah Tomasella: I’ve, I don’t know. It’s been around for like a year.

It’s an Instagram thing, right? Well, it’s owned by Metta, but it’s supposed to be much out there, man. All this stuff that I keep hearing about. It’s like, you tried this. Have you done this? I don’t have the time to try out the, the newest AI model every single time it comes out. Right? So there’s all these people that do it and then release all this stuff about it.

And then that’s how I hear about it. But even with threads, you’re talking like it’s been around for a while. I never even knew it was, you never got it. I never, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:05:53] Conner Jones: Well, it’s not a very, I don’t feel like it’s very popular, but then I see it’s number three. It’s number three. Okay. Yeah, it’s number three.

But the number four, you were onto this is Google Gemini. So yeah, AI is dominating the top of the app store. Number five, I just think is interesting. It’s TurboTax. Gotta get started! It’s just a reminder that it’s that time of year. I was like, okay, everybody’s going to get their taxes 

[00:06:14] Micah Tomasella: done. The IRS is open for business to take your money.

Get ready. Yes. Or, 

[00:06:19] Conner Jones: you know, if you’re lucky, you’re going to get that refund. That’s right. Well, it depends on your strategy, 

[00:06:23] Micah Tomasella: Connor. But anyway, yeah. 

[00:06:26] Conner Jones: Anyways, all this to say, investors feared that DeepSeek’s efficient approach could reduce demand for high end AI chips. So that could lead to a broader sell off in all the tech stocks.

It hit the NASDAQ really hard, which is the tech centric stock exchange. This event did raise concerns about the sustainability of the U. S. leadership in AI. So, you know, All these companies that are working hard in this, what we call it, like the AI arms race between private companies and even governments.

What does this mean? Why, why was another company in China able to pull this off for so much less? Budget for so many less chips. I mean, that’s one of the big things here. That’s why Nvidia took the hit that they did. They’re the ones producing the chips for open AI and Microsoft and all of that. Well, if you can do it on less chip making and less chip power, then what is, what is the full value of Nvidia?

Are they really as valuable as the stock market was showing question? Yeah. One interesting piece of this, Micah, because it is Chinese owned, we saw a lot of videos go viral very quickly on Monday as the stock market was taking people were starting to download the app and see what it was about, see how it functioned.

So a couple of things here, one, it does seem as though it’s just as strong and powerful and answering queries and questions and doing searches as chat GPT. So it’s a strong competitor. It can, it can match it, which is again, the whole point here, it’s just as powerful on less power. The other thing, the other thing is number two, it does seem to censor Chinese queries.

So if you put in something asking about, you know, something that could be anti China or seen as anti China. You’re not going to get an 

[00:08:02] Micah Tomasella: answer. Yeah. I saw a ton of those videos. It’ll like populate an answer real quick and then say, let’s talk about something else. Like those videos are kind of crazy.

[00:08:10] Conner Jones: It’s reminding me of this whole Tik TOK drama, which we’ve already discussed quite a bit on here. Where do we, where do we go with this? Like, how do you take tabs on an AI company from China? That’s going to be very powerful. And if it really does. You know, get into the U. S. Ecosystem of people’s phones and all of that.

It’s gonna be just like TikTok. So if TikTok shuts down, maybe this is their answer. You know, if, if they can’t control all the TikTok data, all the TikTok privacy and algorithm and all that, maybe they’re like, okay, let’s put an AI system out there. That’s even better than anything they have to offer. Yeah, because 

[00:08:41] Micah Tomasella: DeepSeek is the number one app in the, in the app store in America, right?

So Americans are just flocking to downloading DeepSeek. And so, I mean, this is, I kind of alluded to this last week, right? You shut down Tik Tok, well, you know, if there’s not more of a comprehensive solution for this, we’re just going to keep running into this problem with different apps. If we’re worried about China and you know, people within China officials stealing our information, we’re going to keep running into the same problem.

[00:09:10] Conner Jones: Yep, I think you’re exactly right. It is interesting Donald Trump, President Trump, he came out and he said the rise of DeepSeek is a quote unquote wake up call for the U. S. tech sector. Basically saying, hey, you guys need to understand that They’re, they’re, they’re doing big things over there in China, step it up.

This is like the space race with the Soviet Union back in the sixties. That’s how a lot of people are comparing this. This is kind of like the Sputnik type of moment where, Hey, the Russians pulled this off. Holy cow. We weren’t expecting that. Do better, step it up. And even the white house last week alongside Trump.

And Altman, the CEO of open AI. Larry Ellison stood up there and they said that they were investing 500 billion into American AI companies for this global AI race. So we’ll see what comes out of that anyways, by Tuesday, you know, the stocks were starting to kind of come back into level playing grounds NVIDIA shares did start trading 1.

4 percent higher. So. Maybe it was just a big initial freak out. Maybe it was just a foreshadowing of what’s to come. Or maybe it’s just showing, hey, we’ve got serious competition out of China. So let’s step it up. And this might even improve NVIDIA stock and every other AI company. We’d rather 

[00:10:19] Micah Tomasella: find out now as opposed to, you know, when, when you’re even more years and more time and more money invested down the line.

This, we’re still pretty early in this arms race. I mean, I know AI is every topic we’re seeing, but you know, better to find out now so that you can improve and work on it. And you know, there are multiple countries kind of competing for this top spot, right? But better to find out now than later, I guess.

[00:10:42] Conner Jones: You’re absolutely right. Anyways, AI, it’s just a big daunting topic. So I wanted to, I wanted to give some encouragement here and take this to some biblical principles. One thing, real fast, is Wallace B. Henley, he’s an author, and he wrote a book called Who Will Rule the Coming Gods? The Looming Spiritual Crisis of Artificial Intelligence.

He said, Who or what will control all of this? To what values and worldviews will the machines be programmed to submit? In the final analysis, will they obey their human masters or will human beings become the mastered? Obviously that’s kind of a frightening thing to think about. The idea that these AIs.

You know, models and computers could get so powerful that they end up controlling the world over humans. But ultimately, we know God gave humans domain over the earth, which is such a, you know, a powerful thing to recognize. He’s made us in his image, and then this is just a man made thing. These AI models and Dr.

Jim Denison. He is the founder of Denison Forum, and he’s just an incredible theologian. He noted in an article back in 2023, I was reading his article on chat GPT. So this is kind of foreshadowing a little bit, but he said, the good news is that the one true God is still on his throne. None of this about AI surprises him.

He has assigned us to this time in human history as missionaries to our culture with all its challenges and opportunities, he will lead all who will be led as we use the technologies of our day to serve him and advance his kingdom, which kind of hits on what we’ve talked about before. Hey, we’re digital ministry here at Denison forum.

We are trying to seek a digital revival. So rather than fear AI, let’s, let’s figure out how to use AI and let’s pray for the wisdom to use AI as Paul used the Roman roads to share the good news of God’s love with the world. Let’s speak biblical truth to the moral issues AI raises as we serve our lost culture with the salt and light of Jesus.

But let’s also use AI to spread the gospel. And you know, Esther 414 says. Who knows whether you have not come to the kingdom for such a time as this Michael We are here now on the earth at this moment as the internet continues to grow as AI Reaches new potential and has endless potentials. There’s a lot we can take from this.

What do you think? 

[00:12:58] Micah Tomasella: Yeah, reminding ourselves that we’re here on purpose that that’s how sovereign God is Is a great reminder that if we’re in this situation, well, as long as we seek God and we trust God and we lean into him and he’s going to equip us. With the actions and the words, he’s going to give us the direction, whatever it might be, so we can take comfort in that, but even more than that, I think about with AI, you know, all of the projections into the future of how AI can change lives.

You know, there’s so many good things that can come out of it, the advancement of medicine and science and technology to, to better the lives of people, to help recognize diseases sooner, to develop treatments and, and and cures for certain. Diseases that we’ve been up been able to figure out that’s wonderful.

But at the same time you hear about you know, all of these things in the future of people will start really spending a lot of time on AI to have their lives be transformed by it. Whether if it’s through an even more immersive virtual reality worlds where AI is kind of doing life for you because you’re just tired of interacting with human beings.

I’m giving extreme examples of what we read with AI, because I just want to call out the fact that we become what we submit to. What we spend our time on is what we become. It’s what starts coming out of our mouths and our thoughts and our mind. And it’s what our actions start to become. And so what I would say is, is use it as a tool, but remember that God is in control and we become what we submit to and what we spend our time on.

So make sure you’re spending your time on the right things. And I think we’ll be just fine. 

[00:14:38] Conner Jones: Amen to that. Well, thanks for that. Just encouragement, Micah. Hey. Why don’t you take us into your next story?

[00:14:47] Micah Tomasella: Yes. Let’s talk about immigration. That has been on the top of all of our minds, along with this AI topic. We’re just seeing so many different parts of this. And so I just kind of want to run through the biggest storylines when it comes to immigration. And as Donald Trump has been inaugurated, he’s entering his second week.

I mean, he’s already deep into a second week. And all of these executive actions are rolling out and we’re seeing all of these videos and we’re seeing all of this discourse and a lot of disagreement coming out about you know how Immigration is being handled and how people are being deported and pulled away from their families and, you know, there’s a lot of kind of heart riching, gut riching things out there and there’s a lot of people arguing about it.

So let me run through the top storylines in CAR. I’d love to get your opinion on this. ICE raids. So Immigration Enforcement under the Trump administration, it’s ramped up with ICE targeting 1, 500 arrests daily. That’s kind of their goal in major cities like LA, Chicago, and Atlanta. The crackdown includes raids in previous, previously protected spaces like schools and churches, sparking legal challenges from civil rights groups over these aggressive tactics.

You’ve got the military at the border. So following a shootout between U. S. Border Patrol and suspected Mexican cartel members in Texas, the Pentagon then deployed 1, 500 troops, the Texas National Guard, to the southern border. This includes the military, police, engineers tasked with bolstering border security, repairing barriers, and increasing surveillance to deter the illegal crossings.

And then you had J. D. Vance, the vice president, on a CBS interview, and he was on Face the Nation, and he defended the administration’s strict immigration policies. He argued for heightened deportations and emphasized national security concerns despite pushback from critics who called the measures extreme.

Then You had this U S Columbia dispute, which obviously the Trump administration ran with because this was their tactic all along, right? As they have, you know, if we’re going to deport, well, they’ve got to be sent back to where they came from, right? So are all of these countries going to play along?

There’s a lot to come from that, but here’s a little bit of the story. The U S and Columbia resolved a tense standoff. Over these deportation flights. So the Colombian president Gustavo Petro initially refused to accept deported migrants on us military flights, citing their dignity concerns about how they were being treated after president Trump then just came out and impose tariffs Columbia relented agreeing to accept their deportees while preparing for future negotiations.

So Columbia tried to call Trump’s bluff. Trump then upped the ante. Columbia backed off. We’ll see how other countries kind of react to this. But I mean, what did you 

[00:17:25] Conner Jones: think about that story, man? I was watching it on Sunday. I’m like watching football and this whole thing was like playing out on Twitter or X.

Yeah, like literally these two presidents were like arguing on X and then diplomats from both countries were on there arguing and then they begin on the phone. 

[00:17:40] Micah Tomasella: Were they just arguing on social media? I think there was, I think there was, you know, some phone calls. Apparently there’s some back channeling.

Yeah, sure. 

[00:17:46] Conner Jones: 2025 is just going to Twitter and just, you know, because it’s very public then then you get public persona behind it and perception. So there’s a lot of leverage there. So I was watching this whole thing play out. I didn’t know how it was going to go. It did end up, I think making. Trump looks stronger in the end and it you know showed that hey, he’s he’s being very serious about this You better, you know, listen up or he’s gonna impose these insane tariffs and sanctions on you And they did end up closing a piece of the u.

s. Embassy I think the visa part of the u. s. Embassy shut down for a day or so. I don’t know if it’s back up And running in Columbia, but it wasn’t a joke like this was like, Hey, we’re serious about this. And I think it was just a way of showing this is how it’s going to be for the next, however long, if it’s the next four years of Trump, or if it’s just the next year of trying to go on this big immigration push, I’m not sure, but it was very interesting.

And it was interesting to see how the rest of the world responded and saw. Another president in a South American country say, okay, never mind. Sorry didn’t mean to do that He kind of backed off really fast. I mean this was under 24 hours. Yeah, I mean all happened No. Yeah, it all happened on Sunday. It’s just crazy.

By Monday, the whole thing was done and Trump just looked stronger, ultimately, and made America potentially look stronger and made it very clear that this is how it’s going to go with this, this deportation situation, right? Because if 

[00:19:07] Micah Tomasella: you’re going to deport what they’ve, they have to have somewhere to go.

Right. And so it’s this concept of, you know being strict on immigration is one thing. Deporting people who are here illegally is one thing, but the countries where these people came from they have to play along too, right? And so then there was another issue with birthright citizenship. So President Trump signed an executive order to end birthright citizenship for children born in the U.

S. to non citizen parents, citing issues like birth tourism which is just this concept of immigrants will come here whenever they’re close to giving birth, knowing that their child might have a better future if they’re American citizens, right? And so critics argue it violates the 14th amendment and legal challenges have temporarily already halted its implementation.

You know, I mean, pretty much as quickly as he said that all these judges are blocking it, things like that, all these battles are going to ensue in the courtroom. The debate has reignited concerns over constitutional rights and the broader impact on immigrant. Communities. You know all of this kind of struck me.

I mean, this entire issue, I kind of feel an internal tension on this, right? And I kind of want to break that down a little bit. So Dr. Denison, as you mentioned earlier, Connor, he’s written extensively on this topic. If you just go to denisonforum. org, you’ll see a little search button on the top right. Do yourself a favor, go on there and just type in any keyword.

We’ve probably written on it. Dr. Denison’s probably written on it in a brilliant way, in a loving way, in an academic way. And you’ll probably, you’ll probably learn a lot. So like, I mean, if you just go there and, you know, search immigration, there’s just a ton of stuff that pops up. But anyway, Dr.

Denison wrote extensively on the issue of. Immigration and his book that came out a few years ago, the state of our nation, seven critical issues Which is available on amazon for purchase if you ever wanted to look it up. We’ll link it in the show notes Here’s what he said illegal immigration is a complex issue scripture teaches.

You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt, Exodus 22. The Bible consistently calls us to care for immigrants. We see it a lot in Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Ezekiel and Zechariah and Malachi and Hebrews, even in Matthew, and we’re told that God loves us all regardless of our place of origin.

Galatians 3. At the same time, immigrants or sojourners in the Bible are not in their countries illegally. Immigrants are to obey the law. In customs of the land, according to Isaiah 56, and to assimilate into the culture of their host country. And you find that in Deuteronomy five and 16, and they’re not to break the law no matter how difficult their circumstances.

We find that in Proverbs six. So in addition, the Bible consistently affirms the importance of border security when the most high gave. To the nations, their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the people. We find that in Deuteronomy 32. The promised land’s borders are delineated in Numbers 34 and Ezekiel 47.

And we’re told, do not move the ancient landmark that your fathers have set. Proverbs 22. So there’s a balance here, Connor. And I believe Micah 6a lays out the framework to find that. Balance. Micah 6. 8 says, He has shown you, oh man, what’s good and what the Lord requires of you to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

This is, this is a tough subject because families are being torn apart and people from all over the world come here for a better life. There’s a reason why so many people want to come here because we have freedoms most countries do not. They’re fleeing bad situations. So you feel that tension, right? We don’t want anybody to live in a difficult.

Type of situation or persecution or a place where you just can’t feed your family. But at the same time, we have a nation of rules and laws, and at a certain point, we need to enforce those laws. And so I’ve seen many stories on social media and the internet that really tug on your heartstrings that have tugged on mine.

And I’m sure it’s happened to many in our audience as well. But Connor, I mean, how how has all this impacted you, all of this news? I mean, how has this felt for you? 

[00:23:02] Conner Jones: Man, I’ve just been, you know, I’ve been watching it all this week as well. And it’s been interesting, you know, there’s. I think you’re right on the mark with saying there’s a balance here because you got the far You know the far left side that would say don’t send anybody back and then you know, there’s even people like in pop culture A lot of celebrities are speaking out We even saw selena gomez this week have a pretty viral video that she ended up deleting where she was crying saying Oliver people were being sent back home, but then you have people on the far right side.

They’re like, none of that is true. We’re simply just sending back people who are here illegally and they, some would say they don’t belong here. I’m not saying that I’m just exemplifying what people on the far right would say. What’s the middle ground. I actually think one thing to focus on is a lot of the people who have already been deported this week are convicted criminals or have criminal charges out there from their countries or here in America, even.

And so I know that they are. Specifically trying to get the probably most dangerous individuals first. But then what does this look like over the next year or so as they get a lot of those people deported? Will they start coming for the families and for children and all that? I’m not sure. I don’t know what the full plan is.

My heart is just like yours where I’m just like, man, I, I can only imagine being in the shoes of someone who so desperately wants freedom and to be in this country and to raise a family in a place that’s safe and has opportunity. And freedoms. But then what does that mean for rule and law? Like you’re saying this country does have rule and law.

So how do you go about that? And I mean, my idea would be make the system to become an American citizen a little bit easier. So it’s more accessible for people who can become American citizens and do want to come here and live a fruitful life and be productive in this nation and, and ultimately become American and support and be patriotic, and maybe even join the military.

A lot of immigrants are in the military. All of that. It’s an interesting topic. It’s a tough topic. Yeah. Somewhere there’s probably a balance, and I think you’re right on the mark with that Micah 6 8 verse. 

[00:24:55] Micah Tomasella: Yeah, so I mean, I come back to, I think sometimes we ask ourselves when all this news is hitting us, Why do I feel so conflicted about it?

Well, let me tell you why. Scripture tells us that we’re to be in this world and not of this world. That we’re, in theory, aliens. In a foreign land, this is not our home. So if you feel a tension in your heart, I think that that’s actually where the Holy Spirit is guiding us and leading us. That in a situation as complicated as this, where we live in a country full of all these laws and rules and we have to uphold them, but then we’re also talking about real people that God loves just as much as He loves us here in America, right?

Has the same heart for them, right? So if we feel that tension, I would say that that’s a good thing. And that we’re thinking critically about these issues, as opposed to just believing one set that comes from either side of the aisle. I think it’s okay to live in some tension, because I believe that that means that we’re being transformed by God’s Word and His truth, and thinking a little bit more deeply on some of these issues that we’re facing.

So let’s stay in prayer for our friends and neighbors who this is more directly affecting, and let’s pray for our nation’s leaders, that God would work directly through them to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. 

[00:26:08] Conner Jones: Yep, absolutely. Thanks for that. Micah. Hey, let’s let’s hit on some Hollywood stuff.

Let’s do it.

I think we need to talk about the Oscar nominations. Yes. I don’t know if you saw those come out last week. My guess would be you and a lot of the listenership here Would look at the list of movies that were nominated and be like, I’ve never heard of yeah, man You’re more movie 

[00:26:31] Micah Tomasella: buff than I am dude. I I’m gonna be Surprised by some of the things, you know things that you’re gonna be talking about today for sure.

[00:26:39] Conner Jones: Well, here’s the deal I am a massive massive movie buff. I love movies. I really enjoy the Oscars. Normally I’ve written articles for Denison for right now Oscar Best Picture articles, by the way, buddy. I read them all. Oh, well, thank you Anyways Normally I would watch most of these movies this year. I’m just like, I have no desire.

And I think a lot of people in the Hollywood world and movie critics and all that are kind of like, man, this was just a down year. A lot of that’s because of this strike that happened in Hollywood back in 2023. We just had a down year. So, but I did want to hit specifically on one movie that’s kind of just causing a lot of issues here.

A lot of controversy in the conversation. Have you heard of the movie, Emelia Perez? Does that one ring a bell at all? Well, because of all the Oscar 

[00:27:22] Micah Tomasella: nominations, cause it like broke a record. Right. I heard of it. Okay. Not anything 

[00:27:27] Conner Jones: else really. Sure. Okay. So it did get 13 nominations, which means it was the most nominated movie with 13.

Kind of across the board. It’s got a picture, best picture nomination, best actress, best music, best a whole bunch of things. It also stars Zoe Saldana of Guardians of the Galaxy fame and the Avatar movies, as well as Selena Gomez. Oh, but yeah, I didn’t know that. I mean, I mean, they’re both pretty 

[00:27:53] Micah Tomasella: famous.

Okay. I didn’t know that. 

[00:27:55] Conner Jones: Yeah, they are well, that’s the thing It’s got these stars, but people didn’t really even know what this movie was Part of this because it didn’t have a great reception. It was not well reviewed or received in fact, only 26 percent audience score on Rotten Tomatoes 2. 4 out of five stars on Letterboxd 6.

1 out of 10 stars on IMDb for context, every best picture winner in the last 60 years on IMDb has received at least a 7. 1 rating. Yeah, man, that’s awful. Like that’s this is really bad. Yeah. Wow. So it’s apparently just not even that great of a movie. It didn’t even when it, so it was in theaters. Barely made any money.

It was a pretty much box office non hit and then it went to Netflix and even on Netflix It didn’t get a lot of traction. So this is just like it’s kind of a dumbfounding thing But here’s why I mean a lot of people and here’s why I believe it was nominated The focus of the movie is a transgender cartel leader in Mexico.

So it is a Spanish language movie It’s also a musical which is interesting and it’s got some bizarre music. There are Plenty of viral clips out there. If you just type in Amelia Perez into a search bar on a social media platform, you will probably see some of the clips of some of the music in this songs fully about going transgender.

It is definitely interesting. Here’s the deal. The star of the movie is Carla Sophia Gascon. Gascon is a biological male who was nominated for best actress. So, you know, we’re entering that territory where this is a transgender actor who is now being nominated and recognized by Hollywood and this institution of the academy.

As being an actress you know, that is definitely it to clarify biblically. That doesn’t make sense. That is not where the Bible lines up. That is not how Denison Forum perceives. It would, it would be with transgenderism. Logically, it doesn’t make sense either. So logically, no. And spiritually, no, because we know.

That Genesis 1, 27 and five, one through two, very much. So clarify that we are made in God’s image and that he has made male and female. Right. I think this is interesting because right at the same time that these Oscar nominations came out is when the new Trump administration came out and said, Hey, there are only two genders.

And so all the federal government stuff will now only. Allow on their websites or anything to say there are male and female. Right, and then not allowing, 

[00:30:23] Micah Tomasella: not allowing those who are transgender to serve in the military too, right? Like that was a part of what Trump did too. Correct. And all around that same time, this movie was getting the most Oscar nominations ever.

And it just kind of seems like, I guess this is the blueprint to get nominations? But also I think that we’ve seen, there’s been a lot of pushback even from secular sources. On something like this, right? 

[00:30:45] Conner Jones: Well, yeah, because people are just like, Hey, this is not even a good movie. Why are we nominated? Why did this get so many nominations?

Well, we know why. Including Best Picture. Right. And so, yeah, it’s, it’s interesting. I read a great article this week about what’s considered Oscar bait. And the subtitle of the, of the article was literally like, Why is this, why is the Academy obsessed with movies no one wants to see? And, yeah. You know, the heart of that article and the heart of everything that I’ve just read this week is the academy likes things that are, you know, pushing certain messages and agendas and they are just baited by things that, you know, show oppression or anything that can press an agenda that, you know, much of the culture doesn’t agree with.

And when I say that I’ve got some, I’ve got some data to back that up. So Parker Jones wrote an article this week for us about this whole nomination. Parker Jones, who’s that It does happen to be my brother, but he will link his article. Little brother, Parker, we, we will link his article in the show notes.

He wrote a great one. I would, I would really suggest reading that he added some data in there that said from this past month that there was a Pew research study in New York times polls that said 49 percent of Americans believe society has gone too far in accommodating transgenders. Transgender people compared to 38 percent back in June of 2022.

79 percent of Americans believe biological males should not be allowed to compete in female sports. And I would venture to guess a lot of those people would say should not be allowed to be nominated for an actress role. What that does is it takes a spot away from an actual biological female either in sports or in this instance.

There are five nominations, five nominees every year for best actress. And now an actual biological female will not receive one of those prized nominees. Which is just unfortunate 71 percent of Americans believe that minors should not be able to transition transition genders with medical assistance compared to just 46 percent in 2022.

So this, this topic has really shifted in culture. A lot of Americans are saying, okay, we’ve gone too far. This has gone too far, but then there’s, you know, the smaller portions of America that still have a lot of cultural influence, such as. The Academy of Motion Pictures that says, no, we’re going to keep doing this.

And so they, they nominated a movie like this almost, it seems like as a counter cultural punch back towards the voting public that said, Hey, we’re done with this. 

[00:33:01] Micah Tomasella: Well, okay. So can I throw out kind of why I think we’ve seen those numbers shift that drastically in just three years? Right. I think it’s turned from, I think in 2022, a lot of it was like an idea.

Like, a lot of this stuff was more an idea but then you fast forward a few years later, it starts to impact your life because you know somebody who’s transitioned, or you know somebody who’s going through this, or it starts to impact your neighbors and your community and it becomes more real. It’s just an idea, that’s one thing, then when it actually starts to get played out.

Right. When you actually see biological males competing in female sports and dominating, then it’s like that shifts the narrative in people’s minds across the board, no matter what your background is. And I think that that’s why we’ve seen this shift. What do you think? 

[00:33:46] Conner Jones: Yeah, no, I, I fully agree with that.

And you know, pop culture is extremely influential. And so a few, few very loud voices can make a lot of impact, but when people start to realize the reality of it, and particularly now with you know, children being able to go through trans, trans gender surgeries and all of that and go ahead and start, you know, working on their bodies well below the age of 18.

I think people were like, whoa, They’re doing what? No, no, no. This is too far. I know the UK Before, 

[00:34:13] Micah Tomasella: yeah. 

[00:34:13] Conner Jones: Yeah. Before their brains are developed. I mean, before you can even get a tattoo and all of that. So there’s a lot there. Before you can vote. Seriously. Yeah. Before you can vote and all of that, but you’re allowed to start transgender surgeries.

I think America was kind of like, and then I really actually think back to the election. There was that very powerful commercial that the Trump campaign kept running on Kamala Harris about. She supported transgender surgeries for prisoners, federally funded and the tagline at the end was, I think, along the lines of Trump is for you, Kamala is for they, them, something like that, and that was really impactful, and I think a lot of the culture was I remember, I remember seeing 

[00:34:49] Micah Tomasella: that commercial, Connor, and being like, why does he keep running this?

Because I was thinking, this can’t be such a big topic for people, like, why do I keep seeing this one? You know, out of all the things he can run on. And I kept saying, that’s one, well, I mean, you know, that one, well, I mean, obviously all the polling came out afterwards. That was such a big topic for people, and it worked.

[00:35:10] Conner Jones: It did. It did. Yeah. People are just the culture is really kind of gravitating in the opposite direction of where it was the last few years. I would highly encourage going to read an article. We’ll link in the show notes. It’s by Dr. Ryan Dennison. And he literally, it’s called, what does the Bible say about transgenderism?

It is a straight up deep dive into this topic and where the, where the Bible lands on this. It’s great. God created humans. Yeah. He talks about the males and female sports and all of that. So it’s, it’s all in there. But yeah, just remember as we go into the week, And you see more and more news about this and about this movie and the transgender issues and all that God’s made it very clear how he designed to you.

And that is male and female, right? That’s right. That doesn’t mean we should chastise people who are going through this going through change, transgender surgeries or whatnot. We need to still be compassionate and loving towards them. Sure. And I think that’s where, you know, some people go way too far and they, they hate on those people and bully them or whatnot.

That’s not, that’s not at all what we’re called to do. We are called to love. Everyone has children of God, you know, and, and hopefully have the opportunity to share the gospel. All that to say, it’s a big story and there’s a lot that we can do as a culture and it sounds like it’s already moving.

[00:36:17] Micah Tomasella: Yeah. I mean to finish up that point before we jump into mailbag we stand on God’s word, we stand on truth. And if your pursuit of God is leading you to. Bully someone or put them down or whatever it might be. I think we might be pursuing something different but at the same time We know what truth is and we can stand Confidently in what truth is and we can understand that we’ve been called to speak truth But we’ve been called to speak truth and love and so it can swing both ways You can either choose to never speak on the topic or maybe you speak on it too much And maybe you’re a little bit too aggressive just like a lot of these things Find the balance, but a balance is having a heavy dose, a healthy dose of what is truth and how can I deliver this truth in love?

And how can I love those around me for their betterment, for their betterment and for their benefit. All right. Well, let’s jump into the mailbag here.

We want to continue to hear from all of you. You guys have been so great to email us and send us all these different topics and ideas. So send us your questions or your thoughts or topic ideas to culture brief. at denisonforum. org. So Jeff reached out and asked what our favorite shows are right now.

Connor, what are you watching right now, man? Man, 

[00:37:29] Conner Jones: that’s a great question. Thanks, Jeff. Man, I’m, I’m, my wife and I we love to just watch all different types of shows at the same time. We don’t, we don’t really do the binge thing. It takes us a while to get through a show, so I got several things. I mean, I think we’re watching Suits right now.

We’ve been watching that for a while. I know we’re a little behind the rest of America on that one show. Yeah. We’re, I think on like season six, we’re watching the traders. Have you seen the trailer? Yeah, man. Oh yeah, man. We’re locked in. We’re locked in. I’m locked in every week. That one, that was dropping currently like every week right now.

That is a great show. Every Friday history on peacock with reality TV stars. Severance is a show that Season 2 just came out. We’re on that one. Abbott Elementary, really funny show. You ever seen that one? My wife loves 

[00:38:08] Micah Tomasella: to watch it. And I’ve kind of seen some of it. I haven’t watched a ton of it though.

But yeah, it seems to be pretty funny. 

[00:38:15] Conner Jones: That one’s really good. Good little wholesome. Comedy show dude. Have you seen or heard of beast games? I’ve heard. I know I sound like a little middle schooler 

[00:38:22] Micah Tomasella: I’ve heard of it so many so many of our friends so many of my friends have told me to watch it and you know Just because it was like mr.

Beast. I was just kind of like this is for this is for junior hires, right? and but for some reason people keep Saying it’s really good. So, I mean, I think I’m gonna have to check it out. 

[00:38:36] Conner Jones: I think you’re gonna have to man. It’s crazy. It’s like a big social human experiment It’s basically the concept is squid games, but you know without actually killing the contestants Good well, you know good to hear but they are all playing for money and there’s like a thousand contestants at the beginning It’s it’s pretty it’s pretty wild.

I’d suggest watching that and then micah i’ve got it. I’ve just I don’t know if I’m embarrassed to say this or whatnot, but the bachelor did come back on this week. And so, yes, we are watching the bachelor big bachelor fan here. 

[00:39:04] Micah Tomasella: So I have, I have just abandoned ship on that. And I’m not saying that like out of superiority or whatever, I just.

I don’t know, man. I have just, I’ve just lost interest, but you know, we’ll see. Maybe we’ll jump back in. So for me, this, this one’s a throwback. We’re almost done, my wife and I with the OC, which was Which was kind of a That’s the 2000s. Yeah, man. It’s kind of, I mean, I was reading the description after like a couple seasons in, just like on Hulu, and it says it’s, it’s like a soap opera.

And then I saw that and I was like Yeah, I guess that kind of lines up and makes sense, right? It’s just the life of these teenagers that live in California. And it was kind of like the, like the original teeny bopper show that got really popular, man. And it, it just, it just keeps you hooked in because it’s like, how can this keep happening to these teenagers?

Like how, how does all this stuff happen? And it just keeps you locked in. Secondly, I put the traders as well. So I mean, man, I really enjoy that show. It’s, it’s a lot of fun the good place. So that’s on Netflix that has. Kristen Bell in it. Yeah, Ted Danson and Kristen Bell. I mean, it’s a, it’s a really interesting show.

And I think it’s kind of even though the show is kind of a joke of like, Hey, you end up in this good place or you end up in this bad place. It’s not necessarily depicting like a Christian heaven or hell, or even a specific other religion and their depiction of the afterlife. It’s this concept of.

Your your good deeds must add up to a certain level to get into the good place. And and I’m just so grateful that that’s not how it is for us, of what Jesus did for us on the cross. And it’s the beautiful thing that He did for me, the sacrifice that He made for us, that He made for me. That’s what gets the job done.

When I believe in that that’s, that’s what does it, not me doing enough good stuff here on earth. I’m thankful that that’s not the way that it’s all set up. And then finally, man, I wasn’t expecting the, 

[00:40:54] Conner Jones: The gospel presentation. Yeah. Sorry about that. I tried to be quick about it, man. Well, it’s no, it was good.

It’s true. It’s just, man, we went there and 

[00:41:02] Micah Tomasella: like, I really, really think about it. It’s like, that’s how a lot of people live their lives is this kind of, in my opinion, kind of a shallow view of things of, well, my good deeds just need to add up. More than my bad deeds, it needs to outweigh it and I would say that is actually impossible where sinners in need of a savior.

And so yeah, anyway, it just, it kind of hits me whenever I watch that show. We’re almost done with that one as well. It’s pretty funny. I’ve been watching a lot of Dallas Mavericks games, even though Luca has been injured, but I’m just, I’m an MFFL, I’m a Mavericks fan for life. I love, I love the Mavs.

And then finally. I don’t know if I’m going to watch this. Connor, you’re going to watch this duck dynasties coming back, man. What’s making a comeback. And it should be premiering here in the next few months. Duck dynasty is back. Whoa. 

[00:41:48] Conner Jones: How long has that been off the air? I haven’t thought about duck dynasty.

I mean, I see them all the time. They still do their, you know, they’re on TV shows and Sadie Robertson’s like a big Christian influencer and all that. So I see them all the time, but man, I didn’t know it was coming back. What are they going to do? Hunt again? Make 

[00:42:02] Micah Tomasella: duck calls? I don’t know, man. I wonder, I wonder if, if they’re going to have that, if they’re going to like redo that ZZ Top entrance, you know, like the, like the intro, like to the show.

I wonder if they’re going to redo that. I think that that’d be really interesting because that that song that that intro became Wildly popular, but yep, that’s coming up 

[00:42:20] Conner Jones: well dressed man. Yeah. Yeah, that was yeah I remember that now and now all their kids have like kids. So there’s grandkids family’s grown.

I’m just i’m very What did I say? Well dressed sharp dress man. We knew what you meant. We’ll forgive you. All right, you did it Maybe that’s what it is. I only dress well and you dress sharp. That’s what it is Okay, wait, micah while we’re talking about tv shows. I got a question Do you use subtitles while you watch TV shows?

Like, do you turn on the captions? Yes. 

[00:42:50] Micah Tomasella: Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. I know you’re anti subtitle. And I was, I was thinking that you were going to change your mind on that since you’ve had a child. Because what happens is, is your child’s napping. You, you put them down. Well, you can’t turn it up loud enough to be able to hear everything.

That you’d want to hear whenever you’re watching something. So you turn on those subtitles and it allows you to keep the volume low. That’s what really got us started on subtitles. And now I mean, unless I’m watching like a live sporting event or something like on live TV, I won’t have subtitles on there, but any show or movie that I’m watching, I pretty much have subtitles on now.

[00:43:28] Conner Jones: Dude, subtitles are the worst. I do not understand having them on, like why, why would, I’ve got ears, what do I need subtitles for? Like they just distract me. No, I, yeah, I do have a kid. I strategically placed his nursery on the opposite side of our house away from our living room so that I could watch loud movies and all that.

With subtitles 

[00:43:47] Micah Tomasella: in mind, I will not be forced to use subtitles. 

[00:43:49] Conner Jones: I will literally, I will stand hard against subtitles. I don’t want words on my screen unless it’s in another language. Oh man, that’s funny. You have to read it, but like, it’s just distracting. There’s no point. There’s just no point. Okay. Unless you have a hearing issue, I don’t understand.

You’re entitled to your opinion. And it sounds like you’re coming 

[00:44:04] Micah Tomasella: from a place of superiority in there. And you know, that’s okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. 

[00:44:09] Conner Jones: Yeah. Hey, let us know what you guys think. Maybe. Hey, here’s what I’ll do. If you’re listening on Spotify, I’m going to drop a poll at the bottom of the episode and ask if you like to have subtitles on or off.

Are you pro or anti 

[00:44:21] Micah Tomasella: subtitles? And I would say if you use subtitles, even a little bit. In specific situations, you should vote that you are pro subtitles. And then we’ll see how it shakes out. 

[00:44:31] Conner Jones: Hey, by the way, we did put a poll last week, and I didn’t mention this on last week’s episode, but some people did see it, that there was a poll at the bottom of last week’s episode about the soup drops that you mentioned.

Soup drops, yeah. And more people said yes than no on if they would eat 

[00:44:45] Micah Tomasella: a soup drop. I was shocked by that. Well, just try one. I mean, no one’s saying it’s gotta be worked into your daily diet. You know, it doesn’t have to be in your food pyramid. But just to try one? Yeah, man. Sure. 

[00:44:56] Conner Jones: Yeah, we, we did have a coworker who was like, Hey, I burned my tongue having soup last week.

And I thought it would be better to get a soup drop because then you’re not going to burn your tongue with like, 

[00:45:06] Micah Tomasella: okay. It’s an entire bowl of soup in one little drop. Yeah. 

[00:45:10] Conner Jones: Michael, let’s, let’s look ahead real fast at a few things coming down the line this week. Just so you all are aware, RFK Jr.

confirmation hearings will be happening over the next week. In fact, I think RFK Jr. is Wednesday, which is when we’re recording today. He’s currently in his first hearing. He’s got a second hearing again on Thursday. So if you’re listening on Thursday morning, you may still be able to tune in and hear some of his, I’m not sure the exact day Tulsi’s hearing is going to be, but it is supposed to be soon.

Neither of these two confirmation or sorry, appointees are by any means close to being confirmed. This will be a nail biter, much like the Hexeth was. Hexeth did get confirmed on Friday night late by the skin of his chinny chin chin because VP J. D. Vance had to come in and throw in his vote to break the tie so that he could get 51 votes in the majority.

But he’s now the Secretary of Defense, showed up to the Pentagon. On Monday and he is full steam ahead there. So we’ll see what happens with these other appointees Sunday night. Micah, do you have any interest in this? The Grammys? No, I don’t. Honestly, you know, I’m just, 

[00:46:15] Micah Tomasella: I’m so thankful that you. You are gonna be the the celebrity music pop culture kind of guy in that way with these award shows I just I I can’t even stand it man, but I get here’s to clarify.

I don’t watch the Grammys anymore Oh, you don’t I 

[00:46:29] Conner Jones: did you know, I used to but they’ve just they’re just not in my opinion entertaining. It’s just a big I don’t know. Yeah, it’s tough. There will probably be some good performances. I do know Benton Boone, like Billie Eilish Chapel Rhone, Charlie XCX, even Sabrina Carpenter, all everyone who had a big song last year will be there performing.

Rumors are that Lady Gaga is going to show up and perform. So, you know, there’s always something that’s good. Somebody has a really great performance. Here’s the deal though in today’s environment. Those just become clips on social media. So I’ll see the best parts of the show there I’ve just never I never really care who wins a Grammy like I’m I’m never like, oh, that’s in one best That’s exactly right not long of the year 

[00:47:10] Micah Tomasella: not coming to anybody that’s super interested in it Right because at the same time you don’t see the most popular artists in the world like on one stage one night, right?

It’s like I get that concept. It’s just like I just listen to music when I want to listen to music and I don’t when I don’t, you know, just kind of as simple as that, right? 

[00:47:28] Conner Jones: Yeah, that’s that’s super true. We’ll we’ll just see how the show goes, but if you are interested it’s on I think cbs it’s at 8 p.

m And it’s 8 p. m eastern and it’s being hosted again for the fifth time in a row. Trevor Noah, there you go is the host so it could be funny and then of course It’s a couple weeks out still, but the Superbowl, Micah, is gonna be here before we know it. It will be, unfortunately against the grain of what the entire country wanted.

A rematch of the Chiefs versus the Eagles. I think it’ll be a good game, but nonetheless, that’s not the teams I think anybody wanted to see. We will not make our predictions yet. Because we’ll have one more episode before the Superbowl, right? Which is on Yeah, we gotta see what happens over the next 

[00:48:08] Micah Tomasella: week.

Make sure everyone’s healthy. 

[00:48:11] Conner Jones: Yeah, Super Bowl’s on February 9th. 9th, 9th, yes, okay, right, yes. So we will have one more episode. Sunday night, February 9th. But I do have to point out, Micah, you gave me a hard time last week because the Lions lost and that was my pick to be the Super Bowl winner and you were like, oh, you picked wrong.

Well, sir, so did you. I know, the Bill’s lost. Josh Allen 

[00:48:29] Micah Tomasella: cannot seem to get past his mortal enemy. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes is doing something absolutely historic and I’ll go ahead and say this. I think that we are witnessing the greatest of all time play right now. And so that might be the, that might be the shining light of something like this, right?

Is like, he’s, he’s going for a three peat, which has never been done. Three Super Bowls in a row has never happened. So, I mean, that’s, we’ll see. We’ll see what happens. Not even Tom Brady. Sorry, Mr. Brady. I know. Well, I mean. You may get outshined here. I mean, Tom has seven Super Bowls, so I know that there’s a lot of, you know, he’s got his work cut out for him.

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