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Navigating extremism: A conversation with Elizabeth Neumann

June 27, 2024 -

In this episode of the Denison Forum Podcast, host Dr. Mark Turman converses with Elizabeth Neumann, former Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.  Elizabeth discusses her book, Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace which highlights her professional journey and insights into radicalization post-9/11 leading up to January 6.

The conversation explores the intersections of fear, anger, extremism, and the misuse of Christian principles for political aims. Elizabeth emphasizes the role of communities, especially faith communities, in addressing radicalization and fostering peace. Additionally, she shares her experiences and current work with Moonshot, a company aimed at redirecting those at risk of radicalization towards mental health support.

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  • (01:07): Elizabeth’s Background and Career
  • (03:27): The Impact of 9/11 and Rise of Domestic Extremism
  • (06:28): Understanding Radicalization and Extremism
  • (15:44): Self-Care and Navigating a Toxic Environment
  • (18:49): The Role of Fear and Anger in Extremism
  • (23:42): The Scale of the Problem and Potential Solutions
  • (29:25): Reclaiming Civility in a Post-COVID World
  • (33:26): The Merging of Extremist Movements
  • (35:07): The Threat of Political Violence
  • (42:09): Radicalization and the Role of Networks
  • (49:30): Addressing Extremism in Communities and Churches
  • (57:19): Elizabeth’s Current Work and Final Thoughts


About Elizabeth Neumann

Elizabeth Neumann served as the Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Neumann is a frequent guest on national news outlets, and the Chief Strategy Officer at Moonshot. She is based in the Denver, CO area.

About Dr. Mark Turman

Dr. Mark Turman is the Executive Director of Denison Forum and Vice President of Denison Ministries. Among his many duties, Turman is most notably the host of The Denison Forum Podcast. He is also the chief strategist for DF Pastors, which equips pastors and church leaders to understand and transform today’s culture.

About Denison Forum

Denison Forum exists to thoughtfully engage the issues of the day from a biblical perspective through The Daily Article email newsletter and podcast, The Denison Forum Podcast, as well as many books and additional resources.

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