In this week’s Brief: We’re talking tariffs and how they’re not impacting the US economy nearly as much as experts predicted back in April. But this week’s SCOTUS hearing could change that. We also take a closer look at Christian persecution in Nigeria, where Trump is threatening military action if the killings of Christians continue.
Plus updates on the death of Dick Cheney and the UPS plane crash in Kentucky before a recap of Tuesday’s elections across the country and what they mean for the future of both political parties. We also cover the ongoing US government shutdown, MLB World Series, and key NFL trade deadlines. Tune in to explore how culture, sports, and faith intersect in our daily lives.
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Topics
- (00:00): Introduction
- (00:41): Tariffs, Supreme Court, and US economy
- (06:57): Impact of tariffs on the economy
- (18:09): Christian persecution in Nigeria
- (28:23): Call to prayer for Nigeria
- (29:29): Prayer for persecuted Christians
- (31:12): How to help persecuted Christians
- (32:08): Listener’s hot take: 18-wheelers in express lanes
- (34:52): Tragic plane crash in Louisville
- (35:37): Dick Cheney’s legacy and passing
- (37:49): Election results and political implications
- (42:01): Government shutdown: The longest in history
- (45:18): Dodgers win the World Series
- (46:33): NFL trade deadline highlights
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Links mentioned in this episode:
- Donald Trump on Truth Social: Persecution of Christians in Nigeria
- Donald Trump on Truth Social: Message to Nigeria
- Jihadists Persecute Christians in Nigeria. Is It Genocide?
- Open Doors
- 21Wilberforce
- The Voice of the Martyrs
- World Evangelical Alliance
- First Liberty Institute
Other articles on this week’s top headlines:
- Denison Forum: What kind of Mayor will Zohran Mamdani be?
- Denison Forum: If spreading the gospel was as easy as ‘67’
- What’s at Stake as Trump’s Tariffs Go Before the Supreme Court
- How the U.S. Economy Has Defied Doomsday Predictions on Tariffs
- What Have We Learned from the U.S. Tariff Increases of 2018-19?
- Trade | The Budget Lab at Yale
- Tariffs | Brookings
- Trump’s New Line of Attack Targets Nigeria
- Daily Brief on Persecution of Nigerian Christians
- Jihadists Persecute Christians in Nigeria. Is It Genocide?
- The Government of Nigeria Versus Senator Ted Cruz | Council on Foreign Relations
About Conner Jones
Conner Jones is the Director of Performance Marketing at Denison Ministries and Co-Hosts Denison Forum’s “Culture Brief” podcast. He graduated from Dallas Baptist University in 2019 with a degree in Business Management. Conner passionately follows politics, sports, pop-culture, entertainment, and current events. He enjoys fishing, movie-going, and traveling the world with his wife and son.
About Micah Tomasella
Micah Tomasella is the Director of Advancement at Denison Ministries and co-hosts Denison Forum’s “Culture Brief” podcast. A graduate of Dallas Baptist University, Micah is married to Emily, and together they are the proud parents of two daughters. With an extensive background in nonprofit work, finance, and real estate, Micah also brings experience from his years in pastoral church ministry.
About Denison Forum
Denison Forum exists to thoughtfully engage the issues of the day from a biblical perspective through The Daily Article email newsletter and podcast, the Faith & Clarity podcast, as well as many books and additional resources.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
NOTE: This transcript was AI-generated and has not been fully edited.
Conner Jones: [00:00:00] Hi, I’m Conner Jones.
Micah Tomasella: And I’m Micah Tomasella.
Conner Jones: And this is Culture Brief, a Denison Forum podcast where we are navigating the constant stream of top stories in news, politics, sports, pop culture, technology, and so much more. And of course, we are doing it all from a Christian perspective. And my goodness, it has been a crazy Newsweek Tuesday alone could get an episode on its own.
Micah, just give us a quick rundown of what we’re gonna be hitting on. ’cause it’s been nuts,
Micah Tomasella: it has been crazy, and we’re excited to jump into it. Thank you all for listening and downloading and sharing. It really helps us grow the show and we’re really grateful that you guys trust us to help you figure out what’s going on in the news and what God.
What have us do about it and what, you know, how he wants to work in and through us. So we’re gonna talk about tariffs, the Supreme Court and the surprising resilience of the US economy. I’m gonna break that down. And then Conner’s gonna talk about what’s happening in Nigeria and the persecuted Christians.
There just a lot of Christians getting killed over there. And it actually came into the more more into the spotlight. Recently we’re gonna talk about. The Democrats had a big [00:01:00] night. They won a lot of elections across the country. Some things happened in California as well. And then there was also a pretty crazy NFL trade deadline and a lot of it revolved around our favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys.
So we’re gonna jump into that and so much more. So let’s jump into the brief.
Conner Jones: The brief.
Micah Tomasella: Alright. So again, I’m calling this tariffs the Supreme Court and the surprising resilience of the US economy. All right, so guys, we’ve talked about tariffs a lot and the reason why this is coming up again, I’m gonna break it down a little bit further, but tariffs are back at center stage.
The Supreme Court of the United States is now weighing how far a president can impose trade restrictions without Congress. And meanwhile, the US economy has been more resilient than many forecasters expected. So what happens? If the court reins this in right and why it hasn’t Main Street felt the worst case scenario so far.
So like for even more context, these tariffs get implemented. We’ve talked about tariffs a lot on the show. The reason why it’s coming up [00:02:00] again is today the day of recording on Wednesday, November 5th, the Supreme Court is now hearing arguments of can Trump actually utilize these, these laws and declare national emergencies.
To basically slap whatever numbers he wants on different countries. Regarding tariffs, when that’s typically been something that Congress has voted on and approved before. So here’s what’s happening. The justices are reviewing whether Donald Trump and his broad global tariff program lean too heavily, heavily on emergency powers from the 1977 law.
And I wanna get this right, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, I-E-E-P-A rather than direct congressional approval. So if the court rules, it went too far. So we’re expecting a ruling from the Supreme Court middle of 2026. So don’t expect anything, you know, huge to change, but they, the Supreme Court is hearing arguments on this today at the day of recording.
So if the court rules that went too far, parts of the [00:03:00] tariff regime could be struck down. And companies might try to reclaim payments from the US government if the court upholds it. Future presidents could have very broad authority to use tariffs, not just for trade, but to pursue other policy goals.
This is a big part of what we’ve been talking about with Donald Trump’s presidency. The tariffs is just one thing. Immigration sending in the National Guard to different cities. These are. You can definitely accuse Trump of being a norm breaking president. Okay. People will accuse him of being a law breaking president, and I think depending on what the Supreme Court rules on, that’s gonna give us some pretty good clarification on what Trump can do the rest of his term, but also what that would allow future presidents to do.
Trump has. I’ve done it differently than anybody’s done it before. So we’re actually gonna kind of start getting answers on that. So even if parts of this are struck down, Conner, many tariffs could be reissued under other authorities like section 2 32, which is [00:04:00] on national security specifically, or section 3 0 1, which is a section basically on unfair trade.
So a ruling won’t necessarily remove tariffs wholesale, but this is a very important case. Conner, we’re talking tariffs again, man. Are you as excited as I am?
Conner Jones: To talk tariffs. Yeah. I mean it’s always tariff talk with Micah has been all year. This is I’m definitely intrigued by it. Obviously it’s big economic policy and it impacts really tons of Americans.
Obviously most of us will feel it in some form or fashion, whether that’s now or down the road. But also companies and our international just relationships. Trump’s been using tariffs as a bargaining chip essentially when he is making these deals with other countries. Okay, if. We’ll make a deal here.
I’ll drop your tariff by 10% or we raise it, you know, like he’s using it as leverage and negotiations, which has been very interesting. But will he be able to continue that? I don’t know because the Supreme Court’s gotta decide, I will say this six of the justices are probably gonna lean his way. That’s just how it’s been going, the last few decisions. So I would venture to guess they’re gonna approve his, [00:05:00] his ability to do this, but maybe they won’t because if there’s a constitutional just reasoning behind these, these emergency powers. I could see them saying, no, you can’t really be doing this.
’cause it could set a bad precedent for anything either for Trump to continue to do things that are beyond his powers as president. Or in a future presidents, do you really want a future president? To exercise emergency powers? Those are quotes on my hands to be able to do whatever they want. I don’t know, the Supreme Court’s gotta decide.
I’m interested to see how people feel at the end of today. You know, I know they’re hearing the arguments today, and you can kind of get a sense of how judges react and what questions they ask. Of the lawyers to get a sense of maybe what they’re thinking, but we won’t know, obviously, like you said, probably until mid 2026, the final result.
Micah Tomasella: Exactly. And I think we’ve talked about this issue a lot, and this is me kind of getting off the beaten path here just a little bit, just for a second, is I completely understand let’s, let’s go back to when Biden was, you know, in office and [00:06:00] he was accomplishing things that the Democrats wanted accomplished.
Okay. That’s fine. And then Trump is in, and then now Republicans are happy. But I think no matter who is in office, you brought up a really great point that you might like what’s being accomplished, but you have to be forward thinking and say when the shoe is on the other foot, when the, when another person from the opposite party is in what precedent is being set.
For them to be able to just go scorched earth on whatever they feel they need to accomplish.
Conner Jones: Correct.
Micah Tomasella: So it is so important and it’s a good reminder and it’s of, of the wonderful system that we have set up of the three branches of government, but also the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, they’re gonna check these things.
And so I’m grateful that we live in a country that’s gonna be able, Hey, there are, there is some accountability to these things and so let’s just see what they say because if he’s not breaking the law. Great. If he is well, then we need to do something about that. Okay, so let’s talk about [00:07:00] the economy versus predictions.
We all heard this from the start, everything that tariffs will do, how terrible it would be, but when the latest tariff waves were announced, many expected sticker shock. Immediate rapid ri price increases immediate growth drag. That hasn’t happened in full, and in a lot of cases it hasn’t happened much at all.
The broad economy is held up better than almost anyone predicted, definitely better than anybody on the left predicted, and it’s held up better than a lot of people on the right predicted. So that doesn’t mean tariffs are cost free. It means the pain has been slower, it’s been more distributed and easier to absorb.
It just kind of shows the resiliency of the US economy. So the pass through to Consum to consumers has been varied. Some goods show clear price hikes, others haven’t. Research still shows tariffs tend to land on US consumers and importers by way of higher prices and lower. Real incomes, but the hit hasn’t been large enough to affect overall growth.
So there really has been a, here’s the predictions, but here’s where [00:08:00] the economy stands. You know, you get this inflation data every month, and then everybody seems to be shocked that it’s not higher. That keeps happening month after month. So here’s why the doom loop didn’t happen. Or maybe here’s why it hasn’t happened yet.
You know? And I call it the doom loop because it was just this doom and gloom. News over and over and over again. Here’s what tariffs are gonna be. Here’s what it’s gonna cause. It’s as clear as day. It affected the stock market in a way that we haven’t seen in a long time. Whenever the tariffs were announced it’s Hey, this is gonna be awful.
And there’s really no other argument. You know. Here’s a few reasons why it, it hasn’t been as bad yet as people has predicted. Reason one firms adjusted so many diversified supply chains, delayed cost increases, or companies just absorbed margins that slowed the impact. So these companies, the American businesses, they’ve been able to change some things up.
They’ve been able to absorb certain price increases. Reason two, tariff revenue and targeted relief softened the optics [00:09:00] even as underlying costs built. So a lot of revenue is coming in from these tariffs and there has been targeted relief. So Trump has kind of under the radar lessened some tariffs on certain things that you know, hey it’s.
Pretty much impossible to produce this here in the United States. You know, we can’t make this so difficult. And then reason three, the macro economic backdrop stayed reasonably solid, which let consumers ab absorb more of the shock. But economists are still warning higher for longer. Tariffs are still a big risk, especially for inflation and growth.
Here’s what happens with the tariff income and who decides where it goes. Conner, you remember, you and I were having this conversation I don’t know, like a week ago. It’s okay, all this tariff revenue is coming in. What’s gonna happen with it? You know?
Conner Jones: Yeah. There, if there’s revenue, who decides like who?
I, I, this is just a big question. I, I think you’re about to address this, but
Micah Tomasella: I
Conner Jones: am, I’m about to address it. Yeah. It’s been in my mind, I’m sure it’s in a lot of people’s mind. If there’s income to the United States, which is not typically a thing, right? Who [00:10:00] decides where all that income goes? Did the people get it?
Does a administration get it? Does a department get it right? Yeah. I mean,
Micah Tomasella: you tell me. So I’m gonna try to run through this quickly, but I did a deep dive just ’cause obviously we, you know, we’re having tariff revenue coming in out the wazoo, so it’s like people are trying to look back and figure out.
What is this process? So here’s a key piece. Those tariffs don’t just ex exist to shift trade flows. They actually raise real revenue for the US government. There is now an external revenue service, an ERS, not just an internal a. Revenue service. So according to a tariff tracker from a bipartisan policy center, gross tariff, and certain excise tax revenue to the US Treasury is projected to be 942 billion over the next 10 years, and it could definitely be higher than that.
That’s kind of a conservative number. So that’s a lot of money that’s going to be coming in. So what are we gonna do with it? But the actual path of the money is subject to debate. So the revenue is collected [00:11:00] by the US Customs and Border Protection when goods enter US ports. Okay. And then they’re deposited into the general fund of the United States, meaning Congress decides how to spend it.
If it’s put into the general fund, it’s up to Congress. But there’s debate over whether the money should be used primarily for deficit reduction directed towards specific industries or regions harmed by trade. Like for example, there’s been a big debate about American beef and why it’s so expensive, and then Trump was like, okay, we’re gonna.
Purchase beef from Argentina. And then everybody was like, what? No, you can’t do that. And then all the farmers got upset, right? So can you take some of that money and infuse that into US Beef and Farmers and help them, or even there’s been rebated like conversations of we all got payments during COVID.
Are checks gonna be sent out to American citizens from this tariff? Revenue directly is, is that an option too? So some proposals have suggested using tariff income to fund those re rebate rebate checks for [00:12:00] households. But on the flip side, analysts caution that while tariff while they raise revenue, using them as a major substitute for income tax would distort the economy and they could.
Cause some high inflation risk. ’cause there has been talk of, hey, if this tariff thing really takes off, maybe we start paying less taxes. Which is why I think a lot of us in theory could be for it if it does work out that way. Be nice. Yeah. So effectively tariffs are collected by the executive branch, but congress holds a spending power and chooses how to allocate that revenue.
The debate is over who should benefit, how targeted the spending should be, and whether tariff income should be treated like tax revenue. Broad spending flexibility, or should it be tied specifically to trade policy goals? So essentially, Conner, the answer is, do we trust the government to spend money wisely?
I don’t. Do you, Conner?
Conner Jones: Why would I? Yeah. As the government, no.
Absolutely not. There’s a reason this country’s $38 trillion in debt. That’s not exactly fiscal responsibility.
Micah Tomasella: So [00:13:00] here’s what’s at stake, and then I’m gonna wrap this up. If the court limits, the executive authority tariff policy could shift back towards greater congressional control, that is slower, but it is more accountable.
There’s pros and cons for this, right? Nobody’s really been able to do anything about these trade deficits for years, 20, 30, 40 years. And Trump came in and said, I’m gonna do it differently. Something’s being done about it. You might disagree with it, but something’s being done about it. But at the same time, over the long term, if the court does reign this in that just puts more power back in Congress into a group, a larger group of people as opposed to one person.
So if the court upholds the broad power, though, that Trump has wielded, the presidency may gain a fast moving tool for economic trade and national security policy. And the way tariff income is used is, is another added layer. Will it become like we talked about, a general revenue stream or be earmarked for trade adjustment relief or be just return to households, but ultimately.
Who sets trade taxes and who spends the income will matter [00:14:00] almost as much as how high tariffs go and the average and everyday American citizen, in my opinion, is going to need to feel direct benefit from these tariffs because these tariffs are still not polling well for Trump. And so they’re probably going to try to find a way for an the everyday American to feel more of the benefit.
Of these tariffs. ’cause right now it’s just more of a conversation. It’s a big topic. People are like I’m not making as much money. Things are still really expensive. Mm-hmm. So in order for this to be viewed positively and the average everyday American is going to have to feel this tariff revenue in a positive way, I think.
Conner Jones: Yeah, I agree with that. I, I think one of the reasons the Democrats really won on Tuesday night, and I know we’re gonna hit on that in a bit Yeah. Is the cost of living thing. These people don’t feel like their cost of living has gotten any better in the last year of Trump.
Micah Tomasella: No.
Conner Jones: They don’t know that these tariffs are actually doing anything, and the tariffs might improve everybody’s cost of living down the road, but right now they’re just not.
It’s, it’s still a long term thing. We’ll just see how successful this is. But
Micah Tomasella: yeah,
Conner Jones: mean, it’s [00:15:00] interesting stuff
Micah Tomasella: and he could definitely be a cute, like I think Democrats also won. Again, we’re gonna get into it and we’ll probably break this down further next week, but. You could definitely accuse Trump of focusing a lot on things like tariffs and on international things, and you don’t hear him talking as much about, Hey, groceries are really expensive, or, Hey, it’s really hard to pay rent, or My electric bill keeps going up.
There’s just not as much talk about that. So I think that that’s also why in a small scale, why the Democrats did well too. So let’s. Let’s shift gears for a second. Instead of just talking about planning ahead, about what they’re gonna do with these tariffs and the executive power from it, or what we’re gonna do with all of this tariff revenue.
I wanna talk about influence and what we do with it specifically. So just like the debate over who controls tariffs, there’s a constant question in our own lives that we need to answer about who’s really in charge of what we’ve been given, who is really in charge of the things that I [00:16:00] have in my possession in my life, who’s deciding where it goes?
Who’s deciding how it’s used, the government debates what to do with tariff income, but for us, the question is even deeper. Everything we have already belongs to God, every bit of it without a doubt, our time, our talents, our resources, all of it is his Psalm 24. One says, the earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof the world, and those who dwell there within.
Paul says in one Corinthians four, two, it’s required of stewards that they be found faithful. That’s not about how much we have, it’s about how we handle what he’s placed in our hands, and whether we’re using it for his purpose. It’s important. So here’s the challenge and something to think about. Ask yourself, who’s setting the priorities in my life right now?
Am I consulting God on that or am I just making good decisions? Am I just making practical decisions? Am I actually involving God and the big decisions, but even [00:17:00] the small ones, where am I letting culture, comfort, maybe even pressure or expectations decide that for me? Or am I truly seeking God moment by moment of what he would have me do with it?
Think about how the things flowing through your life, your money, your time, your relationships can either serve your own comfort or you can use what God has given you to serve the kingdom. To actually invest in the eternal, not just the temporal, and then decide to be a faithful steward and not just a collector of more things.
Because real influence isn’t about how much we control. That’s not what it’s about. It’s about how closely we walk with God in using what already belongs to him.
Conner Jones: Hmm. Yeah, good stuff man. There’s always things we can take away from even things like tariffs. So that’s just good stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I, I am very interested to see what the Supreme Court decides, ’cause this goes beyond tariffs, guys.
This is kind of really determine presidential powers essentially. So yeah, it’s gonna be a big decision when that one comes through, but it is being heard today and [00:18:00] we’ll see how that goes. By the time we listen to this, get.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah,
Conner Jones: yeah. By the time you listen to this, you might be able to go find articles on what kind of came out of the initial hearing.
So thanks for taking us through that, Micah. But yeah, I wanna hit on something a little bit different. It’s not even in this part of the world. You mentioned it, Micah, over in Nigeria. It’s starting to get a lot of attention. Thankfully it’s getting a lot of attention. There are lots of Christians being killed.
And it’s not just Christians. There are people of Muslim faith, there are people of other faiths as well being killed, but Christians are specifically being targeted and they’re being murdered. And it’s honestly kind of amounting to a genocide and it’s very tragic and we need to bring attention to it.
And it, it’s starting to get attention, like I said, because of several people. Who have influence starting to bring it up, including Bill Maher. He’s not exactly a man of faith. He’s a, if you don’t know, he is kind of a, a commentator. He is, got a very popular podcast now. He used to be late night host, all of that.
And he’s not a man of faith, but he did bring this up because he said back in September, at the end of September, he noted on his show. His exact quote was the Islamist and Boko [00:19:00] Haram, which is a terrorist organization in Nigeria, by the way. They are systematically killing the Christians in Nigeria.
They are literally attempting to wipe out the Christian population of an entire country. He said that and a lot of people were like, whoa, I didn’t know about that. What are you talking about? Then Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. He followed that up and accused Nigerian authorities specifically of ignoring and even facilitating the mass murder of Christians by Islamist Jihadist.
And then he introduced a bill to in the Senate to impose sanctions on Nigerian officials that he says are enabling the jihadist violence and enforcing essentially blasphemy laws against Christians in the majority Muslim states within Nigeria. He’s basically blaming the Nigerian government of being just turning a blind eye to what’s happening in their own country.
That got followed up by Trump this past weekend. It made it to his desk and he started just punching out truth social posts, essentially bringing this whole thing to the light. So now the president’s on it, and he posted specifically on Friday. He said Christianity is facing an existential threat in Nigeria.[00:20:00]
Thousands of Christians are being killed. Radical Islamists are responsible for this mass slaughter. I am hereby making Nigeria a country of particular concern, but that’s the least of it. When Christians or any such group is slaughtered, like this is happening in Nigeria, something must be done. So he’s, he’s saying that and then he followed that up again on Saturday with honestly a warning slash threat to Nigeria.
Because he said if Nigerian governments still allows the killing of Christians, the USA will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria and may very well go into the now disgrace country. Guns a blazing, Micah is what he said, to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who are committed these.
Who are committing these horrible atrocities? I am hereby instructing our Department of War a k, a Department of Defense to prepare for possible action. If we attack, it will be fast, vicious, and sweet. Just like the terrorist thugs attack our cherished Christians warning, the Nigerian government better move fast.
Micah, it’s. It’s on the President’s mind. He is really thinking [00:21:00] about this. He is now threatening to send in US forces in some form or fashion. I don’t know if that would be troops. I don’t know if that’d be drones aircraft. That’s extremely serious. And he’s noting that he’s, he’s not, he’s just not gonna let this brush to the side.
He’s either telling Nigeria, fix the problem, save these Christians, don’t let them get killed or face the wrath of the United States military. I mean, what are your initial thoughts there?
Micah Tomasella: I think I think he got fired up and probably said a little bit too much. I What’s new? I mean, that’s, that’s kind of what he does, I think.
I think the, the most likely scenario is if you squeeze a third world country like Nigeria with some export controls if you make it more difficult for them to trade, if you make it more difficult on their economy. I think Trump figures, if he threatens these types of things, he can get on the phone with the leadership there in Nigeria and be like, Hey.
Mm-hmm. Stop that you know, so whether, whether if the Nigerian government is specifically [00:22:00] complicit, I don’t know, or if it’s hey, they’re just kind of, turning a blind eye. I think probably the Nigerian government can step in and stop some of these things and, and hopefully make sure that this stops.
And I think it’s probably the most likely scenario, and that’s what I’m hoping for.
Conner Jones: Yeah, it is. I’m hoping for that too. Just for some context. The US sends about $1 billion in aid to Nigeria each year, but even it could come down, like you’re saying, like it could be tariffs, right? Punching them with harder, harsher tariffs, whatever it takes.
But honestly, the Nigerian government’s not exactly a very strong government. It’s a very tough country. To govern it. I mean, there’s so many tribes, there’s different religions. So I was gonna give you a little bit of the reality of what’s actually happening on the ground. ’cause we need to discuss this.
Yeah. So yeah, for Nigeria it’s poor, right? It’s also huge in terms of population. It is the sixth most populated country in the world. It’s the first, in Africa. It has 237 million people. And in that group of people, it’s literally almost split down the middle of Muslims and Christians. So imagine [00:23:00] a country where half is.
One religion and half is the other religion, and they just don’t get along very well. You know, and then there’s these multiple militant groups within Nigeria. Boko Haram is one of them. That’s kind of the one that most people would recognize. The name of it is an Islamic. Terrorist group, but there’s so many other militant groups that are fighting for land, farmland, cattle tribal issues there.
And so all of these groups make it really hard to, for the, like Nigerian military to just step in and find them and all that. It’s not exactly an easy task.
Some of them actually focus on killing Muslims that they don’t believe are strong enough in their Muslim faith that they, they are nonviolent Muslims.
As some of these groups that I’m about to mention here in a minute, they call ’em moderate Muslims. The ones who, they just want to do their Muslim faith. They don’t want to be violent, and so they get killed too by some of these groups. But Christians obviously are taking the brunt of this, so Enter society.
This is a Nigerian human rights group. They put out a report that says between 2009 and 2023, at least 34,000 moderate Muslims have been killed, and 52,000 [00:24:00] Christians have been killed. 18,500 Christians have been abducted, and 20,000 churches and Christian schools have been attacked.
Micah Tomasella: Golly,
Conner Jones: 14 million Christians have been uprooted and forced to flee their homes.
It’s terrible. Just That’s awesome. Between January and August of this year, 2025. More than 7,000 Christians have been killed in Nigeria. Open doors is another great organization, and I’ll, I’ll put a link to them in our show notes. They work to support and bring attention to basically Christian persecution around the world, but they state that Nigeria is the deadliest place in the world for followers of Jesus.
With Nigeria alone accounting for 82% of the total number of believers killed during the their period of reporting, which was over the last few years on average. That means there are more than 11 Christians killed every day in Nigeria. That means a Nigerian believer is killed every two hours.
Christians in Northern Nigeria are six and a half times more likely to be killed than a Muslim and more than [00:25:00] five times. As likely to be abducted. I read this story on Fox News. This guy, they, they were Fox News bringing attention to it this weekend ’cause of Trump’s post and all that. And they interviewed this man named Paul Adamu.
He was kidnapped two years ago by Boko Haram in this interview. He first off applauded Trump for bringing attention to it and saying that it did need to Nigeria to be designated with that country jury of particular concern. That means the US State Department will start to focus more on it.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah.
Conner Jones: And he said in this interview.
I would say that Nigeria is the worst place to be a Christian. We wake up every day with news of killings every day with the news of the mass occurring of Christians, Christianity. Today they did a profile on a pastor over in Nigeria. His name is Ezekiel Domo, and he just officiated on October 15th, the mass burial of at least 12 Christians who were killed by an Islamic militant group.
And he followed that service up by calling out the Nigerian government like Ted Cruz was for denying the genocide. Essentially, they’re just kind of like we said, maybe turning a blind eye to it. [00:26:00] And he’s pleading to the un, he’s pleading to the US Senate. He’s pleading to Donald Trump to come in and save them as they are trying to kill Christians in Nigeria.
In his own words there guys, this is heavy stuff. Yeah, this is real. We here in America do not. Fully grasp the persecution that people go through for their faith across this world. Honestly, as I was doing research, I did not realize quite how bad it was in Nigeria specifically. I think a lot of times we think of Christian persecution in countries like Iran or North Korea, places that are super closed down.
Nigeria’s an open country, but it’s a dangerous place for people of faith. And there are 80 million Christians in Nigeria, maybe more than 80 million. There’s 90 ish million Muslims. It is a huge population of Christians, but so many of them are under constant pressure. But they’re standing stronger in their faith than there’s been so many clips this weekend.
If you go to Instagram, it’s type in Nigeria, Christians, you’ll see all these clips of these Nigerians just beautifully worshiping, and a lot of times they have gorgeous church buildings. Other times it’s just little [00:27:00] huts and they’re just beautifully worshiping and praying. They have a solid, strong faith, and they have it in the face of persecution.
It’s inspiring. I’m inspired by it.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah.
Conner Jones: But man, we need to stop and pray for them.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah.
Conner Jones: You know? Yeah. Micah, what I just, all of that, what are you thinking? I know that’s heavy stuff.
Micah Tomasella: I mean, I just think it really shifts the perspective. I mean, we can we’ve just had such a tumultuous year here in the United States.
I mean, you know, 2020 five’s gonna be looked at as like. They’re gonna be teaching about this year in US history textbooks or
Conner Jones: mm-hmm.
Micah Tomasella: Whatever kids in the future are gonna be studying out of. Maybe it’s not a textbook. I don’t know, maybe they can press a button to upload it to their brain, but maybe I, yeah, I just, I think it’s it really shifts perspective when you understand what persecution looks like here and what it looks like for Christians over there and how we have the same call.
We have the same God. We serve the same master we live on, on the same principles, but it just looks different based off of where we [00:28:00] are. And it, it really is striking and it really kind of stops you where you are and it just helps you reflect and recognize how blessed we are to be here. But also that leaves me encouraged how many believers there are over there standing strong and willing to die for what it is they believe in.
Conner Jones: Yeah. I, it’s, it’s very, it’s, it’s encouraging. It’s also discouraging in ways. It’s, yeah, it’s a lot of mixed emotions. Okay, so here’s what I think we can all do this week, and we’re gonna do it right now here in just a minute, man. We gotta stop and pray. We need to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ in Nigeria, who are persecuted.
And are being persecuted, forced to flee their homes or killed in the threat of death. We also need to pray for other people in Nigeria that are not just Christians who are being persecuted as well. This is a genocide just across the board in Nigeria, and it just doesn’t get tons of attention. And then let’s pray for the government in Nigeria to actually change course and do something about this, right?
And protect those who are being persecuted. And then lastly, I wanna read Matthew 5 44. It says, but I say to you, love [00:29:00] your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you. That’s a tough call. That’s Jesus calling us to call to pray for those who are persecuting. But I think we need to pray for the attackers.
We need to pray for their hearts to change. We need to pray for something to happen that makes them stop doing this persecution right? And we need to pray for them to find salvation in Christ themselves. So all that to say, Micah, I would love it if you would lead us in a quick 30 to 45 second prayer.
Let’s just stop and pray for this situation in Nigeria.
Micah Tomasella: Absolutely. Let’s do it. Jesus, we love you. Thank you for your life and your love, and what it means. What it means for us here in the United States, or any Christian right now in Nigeria. God, I just pray right now that you would encourage the hearts, you would strengthen the bodies and the minds, and the resolve and the will of the Christians.
That are in Nigeria being persecuted right now. Just pray, holy Spirit, that you would be close to them, that you would walk with them, you would talk with them. You would remind them in big moments and in small moments that you are with them, that [00:30:00] they are not walking alone. We clinging to the biblical promise that we will overcome by the blood of our, by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony that we are not fighting a battle.
That is merely earthly or temporal. This is eternal. And I just pray that you would encourage the heart of every believer in Nigeria that they would recognize and that they would know that there’s a special place in heaven for them as they’re enduring something like this. Strengthen them. And God, we just pray that the violence would stop.
We pray that you would turn hearts towards you in the name of Jesus, that everybody a part of, Boko Haram or any terrorist organization over there that is. Perpetrating these evils, God, that you would send them dreams and you would send them visions and you would do what? Only you can do, God. And so many hearts, millions of hearts would turn towards you and they would recognize who you are.
Jesus. Your death, your burial, your resurrection changes, absolutely everything. And we just pray that you do what only you can do, that you move that mountain, that you changed that circumstance for your glorification and according to your will. Father and I pray that [00:31:00] us as believers here in America.
We’ll join together and not be so focused on our own issues, but we’d be praying for our, our our persecuted brothers and sisters in Nigeria. In your name I pray, Jesus. Amen.
Conner Jones: Amen. Thank you, Micah. If you are interested in learning more about how you can help these persecuted Christians, I’m going to link in the show notes.
Which you can find in Spotify, apple, or down there in YouTube. We’ve got a link to our show notes. There will be links to open Doors. The organization I mentioned Christian Persecution Organization, the Voice of the Martyrs as well as a podcast with 21 Wilberforce President with Sam Al sbi.
Libby, yeah, I think that’s how you say it. He just had that conversation with Dr. Mark Turman over on our Faith and Clarity podcast. Great conversation all about Christian persecution. That is what 21 Wilber Force focuses on is faith persecution. So go listen to that and listen for more on religious rights, but be praying for these people.
And if you’re interested in giving or donating or learning more, those links will be in our show notes. But
Micah Tomasella: fun fact, I worked for the 21st Century Wilberforce in several years ago, so yes, that is a great [00:32:00] organization. Yep.
Conner Jones: I totally forgot, like when we were in college, you were over there working for them.
Yeah,
Micah Tomasella: yeah,
Conner Jones: man, what a time
Micah Tomasella: there for two years. Yeah,
Conner Jones: it’s a good organization. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 21 Wilberforce is awesome. Okay, guys, let’s let’s hop into a quick little hot take we got for you. We got an anonymous listener who sent in a question for us. I thought this was fun, and I can totally tell where they were when they thought of this question.
’cause they said, should 18 wheelers be allowed to drive in express lanes on the highway? And then they were like I say, no, that’s what this person said. The whole point of an express lane is to go faster and get around the slower traffic and you’re literally paying not to be stuck behind slow moving vehicles.
This person also clarified that they are the daughter of an 18 wheeler, lifelong 18 wheeler driver. So they don’t have anything against 18 wheeler drivers. They’re just saying express lanes should be reserved for smaller cars. Micah, I’m assuming this person lives in a city like Dallas because this is a problem we have.
If you’re out in a rural area, you don’t have this problem, but express lanes, they’re kind of nice, but they’re also expensive. And if I got stuck behind and I have been stuck behind 18 wheelers, [00:33:00] I’m not a fan of it either.
Micah Tomasella: So the so the crux of the question, just to be clear, is that eight, their take is that 18 wheelers should not be allowed to use like toll roads or expressways because they just slow down traffic.
Is that
Conner Jones: They’re just saying express lanes, I don’t think toll roads.
Micah Tomasella: Oh, okay. Okay. Just, just express wings. Okay. Yeah. No, no, they shouldn’t be, they shouldn’t be allowed because I, I mean. Don’t even get me started. I mean, I feel like here in DFW, the highway system, you know, it’s heavily invested in and it’s probably better than like in a lot of places, but we still have a ton of traffic and I just, I find myself frustrated that lanes that are established for faster traffic somehow are just almost never fast.
So anything that we can do, 18 wheelers or whatever it might be, getting them off of that express lane. I’m, I’m good with that too. At the same time. Pretty much everything we consume, everything we buy is brought in on [00:34:00] those big trucks.
Conner Jones: True.
Micah Tomasella: So we gotta make space for them too. I don’t know, I feel like I kind of fall in the middle.
Conner Jones: Yeah. Okay. It’s probably dependent upon where you’re, if you’re behind an 18 wheeler and in an express lane, you’re probably feeling the same way as this listener. You’re just like, no way. Get ’em off. Mm-hmm. They also mentioned Bucky’s, and if you’re not from Texas, maybe you haven’t been to Bucky’s, but Bucky’s is a massive gas station that does not allow 18 wheelers, and for whatever reason, it just feels more pure because of it.
The parking lot’s less cluttered. They’re not allowed, it’s nothing, nothing against the drivers, it’s just the trucks that cause the chaos. Anyways, totally. Send in your thoughts, your hot takes, questions, topics. We want to hear from you guys. Send that to Culture [email protected]. Just email us or shoot us a message on Instagram.
Go follow us on Instagram at Culture Brief Podcast. Okay, Micah, like we said, so much else has happened this week, so let’s just jump in to check in real fast. We got a lot to, to kind of go through here. Off the top. On Tuesday, there was a terrible plane crash in Louisville, Kentucky, UPS plane, cargo aircraft.
MD 11 lost its [00:35:00] left engine as it was taking off, and it just never really got lift. It went down into buildings, just outside the airport grounds. As of right now, this morning, they are still looking for. People who could be trapped. Yeah, some people, the fireball was huge. It’s caught a lot of buildings on fire.
It kind of went into a warehouse district just outside the airport, including UPS facilities outside the airport. So just a terrible day for UPS, the city of Louisville. As of right now, there are nine total fatalities. Three of those were crew members on the aircraft. Six on the ground. I, they’re saying that that fatality rate will probably go up as they, that’s terrible.
Continue to dos. Terrible. Yeah. The images are terrible. The videos of the crash are awful. I, I just pray for that group of people. Also, on Tuesday, we learned that Dick Cheney died Monday night.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah.
Conner Jones: Former vice president. He was age 84. That’s obviously he’s most known for his vice presidency for George W.
Bush. But before that he was Secretary of Defense. He was in Congress for 10 years. He was White House chief of staff all the way back for Gerald Ford. He worked in Nixon’s White House. So man, just a half decade, or sorry, half century of [00:36:00] service. He was also CEO of Halliburton during the Clinton years, which kind of led to a lot of controversy down the road when Halliburton got a lot of government contracts to build bases in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So he you know, a man who dedicated a lot of his life to serving the United States, but. Also a very controversial figure when it comes to the Iraq Wars, wars in the Middle East. The Gulf War is when he was Secretary of Defense. Then it’s almost like he came back into that type of position as vice president.
He expanded the powers of the vice presidency. A lot of people do not like him. A lot of people really like him, and it’s up to you to decide what you think his legacy is. But I’m just pointing out that, man, it’s certainly a life loss. And then he of course ended hi, the kind of towards the end of his life last year, he actually did not endorse Trump.
He endorsed Kamala Harris. And so that was a big deal. A lot of people felt like he was betraying. The Republican party.
Micah Tomasella: I didn’t realize that.
Conner Jones: Yeah, he, he put out a video and his, he kind of leaned more left or maybe just the right, moved more. I don’t know. But a [00:37:00] lot there with Dick Cheney. He’s kind of an interesting figure.
I’m sure there will be many, many obituaries on this.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah, he re really interesting guy. Overall spent, spent his life in service to the United States and maybe himself too. You can do both. I think most people probably do both. Yeah. But he really is known as the most powerful vice president ever. Like in, in American history, right?
Yeah. He Even
Conner Jones: George Bush.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah. I mean,
Conner Jones: we, George Bush had to like, tamper down the, the, the, all the writing on the wall that he, he was actually more powerful that Dick Cheney was like kind of more powerful than George Bush as the president. That was, yeah. A lot of people were talking about that back in oh four or oh five.
And then push kind of had to tell him, you gotta, you gotta slow down. I’m the president here, kind of situation. But Bush did put out a statement and a nice statement about Dick Cheney and all that, saying he was the best partner in the White House and all of that. Also on Tuesday elections, like we’ve mentioned several times.
Mm-hmm. Man, the Democrats just kind of. It was a blue wave across the country New Jersey and Virginia, both elected Democrat senator, [00:38:00] or sorry, governors. They were more moderate style governors. They both have national security background. They kind of, played down the middle if you, I would say, yeah, as opposed to the New York City Mayor’s race that played completely as far left as you can go.
Where Zan Z Ron, I, I always mess up his name. Zo Ron, mom Donny. Man, he’s, he’s, he’s gonna be mayor now. And this is shocking. A lot of the world. Shocking a lot of the United States ’cause he’s a 34-year-old socialist, as we have talked about here. He beat governor, former governor Andrew Cuomo, with 50% of the vote.
Essentially 50.4% I think is what it was at as of this morning. So he got just over half the vote share. CU Cuomo got 41.6%, and then Curtis Sliwa got 7.1%. So you know he has pledged universal childcare, free bus rides, rent freezes, opening city run grocery stores. It’s gonna look different in New York City if all that actually happens.
A lot of people like that because as we’ve talked about, the cost of living thing is a problem, [00:39:00] especially in New York City. And so people want new policies that will make their cost of living go down. The question is all these socialist policies, are they going to go into action? But then years down the road cause massive problems because it’s just never worked in any other country socialist style policies.
I don’t know. We’ll see in his concession speech. Andrew Cuomo did make sure to emphasize that with, you know, he said, mom, Donny won, but he only won 50% of the city’s votes. That means half the city rejected mom, Donny and his socialist policies. You know, there’s a lot there. Yeah. And then with the Democrats in California, they actually did vote to go ahead and redistrict so that they can get five more blue seats.
This is in response to Texas’ redistricting policy or really kind of passage back in the summer. So now Texas is gonna have five more red seats. California’s saying we’re gonna have five more blue seats. So Wow. All around blue wave on Tuesday night. And this is. Year into Trump’s first term. So we’ll see what this means [00:40:00] down the road and for midterms and everything.
But initial thoughts, Micah?
Micah Tomasella: Yeah, I mean the Wall Street Journal had an interesting article on this right of, of what’s his name? McCormick, right? Yeah. John McCormick. And he said, you know, Democrats won, but they still awoke on Wednesday with a serious political headache. And I think the biggest headache is, yeah.
Specifically, it’s a muddled verdict. You see somebody on the far, far left winning being successful, and then you see more middle of the road Democrats winning. So does that really answer their question? Because you have two wings of the Democratic Party that seem to have equal sway. Voting members, it feels like too, of just like they’re, you know, these, these loud voices.
They just, who, who’s the leader to unite them. Mm-hmm. And so is, you know, heading into 2026 in the midterms, but even heading into 2028 in this next presidential election, is it going, are they going to pick a more far left candidate? Who would align more with bernie Sanders or a OC or like whatever it might be, or is it [00:41:00] going to be a more middle of the line candidate?
They still have to answer that question, and I don’t think last night answered those questions. Did not. She probably just. You saw both be successful. So does it really answer the question? I’m not sure. So it’s interesting, it just
Conner Jones: left them with more questions, right? But they, I, all the Democrats, they’ve got a pep in their step today and rightfully I mean, they’re feeling right so much. A year ago they lost everything. So now they’re like, Hey, we won everything smaller election night, off year, election night. But it gives them a pep in their step and help ’em plan for next year’s midterms for sure,
Micah Tomasella: if they can gain a unifying leader. Mm-hmm. And unite around the things that most Americans would disagree on and what Trump does then they, they, you know, they can definitely be more successful.
They seem to just kinda shoot themselves in the foot, and we’ve seen that over history. I think we were saying about that, saying that about the Republicans really, until Trump showed up. And then really, it’s not even like. Republicans anymore. It’s maga. I mean, MAGA is just kind of its own party now. You know, he just completely changed it.
Like you looked up and it’s it’s the, the, the political landscape is completely different, right? I mean, we’ll just see what comes [00:42:00] from that. Okay. Government shutdown down guys. The US federal government’s been shut down since October 1st, and now this impasse has surpassed the longest government shutdown in history.
The first one was 35 days. It’s 36 today, 36 days. Today, it’ll be 37 days tomorrow. The first. Government shut down. That lasted 35 days. The, the one that I just referenced that happened in Trump’s first term, and then now this one is in Trump’s second term. So some 900,000 federal workers are f furloughed and many more are working without pay.
You’ve got key things like snap benefits that are being withheld or that are being paused, or only being half distributed. The transportation sector is seeing some real world disruptions. Now you’re seeing more alerts about certain airports having to shut down or stagger their flights, whatever it might be.
There is some signs that this, you know, impasse will stop and that the government will open back up. But at the same time, you’ve got President Trump pressuring the Republicans in the Senate to end the [00:43:00] filibuster. Yeah, which requires a 60. 60 person, yes. Vote in order to pass something like this.
So if the filibuster ends, then the Republicans just with their simple majority, can pass this clean CR bill, this continuing resolution to open the government back up. But I mean, here’s the result, right? Frustration blame across both parties. Deep public disillusionment with just the political system in general.
More finger pointing. No results. This is a major reason why both party platforms in their own way are deeply unpopular right now and why politicians themselves are deeply unpopular right now. The, all of this, this government shutdown thing, I just feel so strongly about it that this is a great example of why for some reason these elected officials started serving themselves and not the American people.
We’ve gotta open the government back up.
Conner Jones: Yeah, I’ve seen a lot more videos of people saying Congress should not be paid while this is shut down. The pressure is on though. You’re right. They’re, they’re actually finally talking and the pressure really [00:44:00] got on. ’cause Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy came out on Tuesday.
This is another big news thing, and said, Hey, by next week we might have to start shutting down areas of airspace over American territory. If we do not get the government reopened, ’cause we’re so down on air traffic controllers, and that was before the UPS plane crashed. Right now that didn’t have anything to do with air traffic control.
That was a, it seems like a maintenance issue on the aircraft. Yeah. That caused it to crash. But that doesn’t help anything. Like it’s just a disaster out there. The pressure’s on, it sounds like they’re actually kind of talking trump’s trying to get them to do the filibuster sort of thing. But that also goes back to what you were saying earlier, man, if you remove the filibuster now as the Republican party in power.
The Democrats are just gonna take advantage of that if they the
Micah Tomasella: Democrat Democrats almost did it. They were two votes away during Biden’s term.
Conner Jones: Yep.
Micah Tomasella: The Democrats almost removed it. And then two Democratic senators who are no longer senators anymore. Chose to not vote for it, and they kept the filibuster.
We need to keep the filibuster because what’s the point of having, anyway, I could get into this. What’s the point of having elected officials that represent the entirety of the nation? [00:45:00] If, if you can’t get them both to work together, you’ve got Republicans and you’ve got Democrats, you might not like the two party system.
You might say it doesn’t represent everyone. I probably would agree with that, but if you, I, the long term implications of removing the filibuster. Are not good in my opinion. So I think we need to tread lightly there. Okay. The Dodgers won the World Series. If you were under a rock, you didn’t see it.
The MLB is experiencing a resurgence and views. I think that it’s great. It’s, it’s the perfect American pastime. I think it’s wonderful that more people are, are. Major League baseball and the Dodgers won. And that game seven was just absolutely incredible. It went into extra innings and it was very heartbreaking for the Blue Jays.
I mean, I was sad to see that too. ’cause they were just so close, they were like two outs away from winning it. Mm-hmm. And then, you know. This guy for the Dodgers that no one’s ever heard of hits a home run and ties it up. But the Dodgers do win. So the LA Dodgers won the World Series two years in a row, hasn’t happened since
Conner Jones: the nineties.
Yeah. And Yama Mato coming in and pitching another game. [00:46:00] I mean, at the end of that game and saving Yamamoto the Dodge. Yeah, just, man, what a game. That was so fun. I’m not even the biggest baseball fan in the world, but had a blast watching all of those games, honestly. And game seven baseball, you could’ve asked for a better ending.
Baseball.
Micah Tomasella: Yes.
Conner Jones: Saturday night. What a baseball. And I wasn’t watching college football.
Micah Tomasella: Yeah,
Conner Jones: ESPN is not gotta deal with YouTube tv. That’s a whole nother problem to talk
Micah Tomasella: about about that one too. They need to figure that out, man. People are being greedy. So yes, absolutely. Playoff baseball. Playoff hockey is also really exhilarating too.
Go try something new and just watch. Play off baseball. You’re gonna have to wait a year, but it’s really interesting. Okay. And then finally we had the NFL trade deadline that wrapped up on Tuesday, November 4th. Lots of trades went down. The New York Jets kicked off a major tear down by trading all pro cornerback sauce Gardner to the Indianapolis Colts.
And then they sent their all pro defensive tackle, Quinn Williams to our team, the Dallas Cowboys and the Jets got three first round picks because they’re going into a full rebuild. I think the Jets are always in a rebuild, just. Constantly. Yeah. Historically, they’re always gonna rebuild. Mm-hmm. Meanwhile, the [00:47:00] Miami Dolphins traded one of their best defensive players to the Philadelphia Eagles, Jalen Phillips for a third round pick.
Other notable moves the, the Las Vegas Raiders traded one of their really good receivers, Jacoby Myers to the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Baltimore Ravens picked up defensive end Vermont Jones from the Tennessee Titans. It was very interesting. I love trade deadlines in, in all sports, because it’s kind of like, Hey, the tread down line is November 4th at 3:00 PM.
And then, but basically everybody waits until the last minute because deadlines make deals where basically all these trades happen within three hours when they know this trade deadline, you know, for a, a whole year leading up to it. And then all the trades happen in this very short period of time. The only, so it’s very exhilarating.
Conner Jones: Micah, the only deadline that does not make deals is the government shut down deadline. That prevents, oh my goodness. It’s like ridiculous. But in, in sports, yeah, they, I think the government could learn from these sports teams who are like, let’s, let’s change up the entire league right now on that. The government could learn from
Micah Tomasella: the free market.
The government is just the government. True. But right now the government isn’t even open. So the government is even really being [00:48:00] fully the government because they can’t be open right now. Like they can’t find a way to just open themselves back up. So anyway, real
Conner Jones: stuff. Yeah.
Micah Tomasella: If you guys were wondering how we felt about the government shutdown, I think it’s pretty clear.
Conner Jones: I think that most of America feels the exact same way. It’s kind of just ridiculous, right? It’s frustrating. Yeah. Fun times in the NFL. So much is happening. So much has happened. We’ll keep you guys updated next week. Thank you guys for listening. And you can now, as a reminder, watch this on YouTube.
Find the culture brief YouTube playlist on Denon forum’s, YouTube channel. We’ll also have it linked in the show notes if you are listening on Apple or Spotify or somewhere else. You can find the link to our YouTube channel down there. You can come watch us. It’s different. It’s fun. You get to watch our reactions to everything.
Mm-hmm. And yeah, we’re so grateful. Y’all listened. Thank you guys for joining us on this week’s Culture Brief podcast, a Denon Forum podcast, man, we’ve got so many links to link this week to different organizations and different articles. So go check out those links down in the show notes and we will see you guys next week.
Micah Tomasella: [00:49:00] Bye-bye.
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